A former RCMP officer testified at an inquiry into money laundering Thursday that a British Columbia cabinet minister told him in 2009 that the gaming minister knew about organized crime at casinos but was more focused on the revenue they generated.

Fred Pinnock, who was in charge of the now-defunct illegal gaming enforcement team, testified that he met with then-solicitor general Kash Heed, who is also a former officer he knew through policing circles for 35 years.

Pinnock said Heed told him that his concerns about illegal activities were legitimate but Rich Coleman, who was the gaming minister, was 鈥渁ll about the money.鈥�

鈥淚 believe I said to him I鈥檓 convinced that Rich Coleman knows what鈥檚 going on inside those casinos,鈥� Pinnock said. 鈥淎nd he confirmed my perceptions.鈥�

Pinnock said Heed asserted Coleman was 鈥渓argely responsible鈥� for problems at casinos and named three or four senior RCMP officers who he alleged were complicit as 鈥減uppets for Coleman.鈥�

He said the meeting with Heed was at a cafe or restaurant in Victoria in November 2009.

鈥淒id you ask him whether, as the sitting solicitor general, he had directed any sort of enforcement response?鈥� asked Patrick McGowan, a lawyer for the inquiry.

鈥淚t didn鈥檛 come up,鈥� Pinnock replied.

Pinnock said he called Heed in July 2018 and secretly recorded the conversation before meeting with him in September that year, when he again recorded the former politician repeating his previous comments about Coleman.

Before he initially met with Heed, Pinnock said his then-girlfriend, legislature member Naomi Yamamoto, approached the gaming minister about arranging a meeting with him on what Pinnock alleged was 鈥渙ut-of-control organized criminal activity鈥� at casinos.

鈥淪he told me that it was in a group setting and she described his reaction as brutal and dismissive and embarrassing,鈥� Pinnock said. 鈥淢y conclusion from that is that he did not want to be seen to be told.鈥�

Yamamoto, who was minister of state for emergency preparedness before the B.C. Liberals were defeated in 2017, never discussed any caucus or cabinet issues with him, said Pinnock, who is now married to Yamamoto.

The NDP launched the inquiry after reports outlined how illegal cash was helping to fuel the real estate, luxury car and gambling sectors in the province. The province also commissioned three reports that said millions of dollars in dirty money flowed through those businesses.

Pinnock said his team was working in partnership with the Gaming Policy and Enforcement Branch but that was a 鈥渃harade鈥� and rising tension had him move his staff to a different area of the same building.

He told the inquiry his superiors鈥� expectations in working with the branch were to 鈥減lay nicely, get along, we don鈥檛 expect big things from you.鈥�

His attempts to investigate proceeds of crime, money laundering and loan sharking at casinos had him writing two proposals in 2007, the first to expand his team and the second to increase funding, Pinnock said, adding he did so at the direction of a senior officer.

However, he testified he doesn鈥檛 believe anything came of what he proposed and that he quit his job in December 2007 after two years of frustration. He retired from the RCMP the following year, and the illegal gaming enforcement team was disbanded in 2009.

Earlier Thursday, the inquiry heard the arrests of several people tied to organized crime and illegal gaming in 2017 led to dramatic reductions in revenue at casinos, but only temporarily.

Daryl Tottenham, manager of anti-money laundering programs for the B.C. Lottery Corp., testified casinos were like ghost towns for two to three weeks as high-end players and others stayed away.

Camille Bains, The Canadian Press

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